Leon: When you play Mario Kart Who do you choose?
Kenzie: Path
Leon: Every time, really, Toad, why?
Kenzie: Because he is so cute.
Leon: But he is too light?
Kenzie: Because I am Toad. Toad doesn’t have much control, I feel like I’m going to screw this up, it’s normally a Toad or Yoshi.
Leon: Yoshi is cool, Yoshi is great. This will be strange, but for some reason I always choose Metal Mario.
Kenzie: That’s a very platinum Pokemon vibe, so it’s like you don’t even know this.
Leon: What is your favorite Pokemon?
Kenzie: Again, I don’t really know that many Pokemon, I’m going to say Charizard.
Leon: You’re such a simple bitch.
Kenzie: Why is that basic?
Leon: Because everyone knows Charizard.
Kenzie: Everyone knows Charizard, but not everyone loves Charizard like me, I’m trying to think there is definitely a website out there somewhere that loves horoscope girls, where it’s like you’re this zodiac sign, you’re obviously a Charizard because he’s a fire sign, but yes, I like a Leo, so it probably makes sense. Wait, what’s your favorite Pokemon?
Leon: My favorite Pokemon is Nick Cave.
Kenzie: I hate you.
Leon: But actually probably the best dancer.
Kenzie: Have you seen him perform?
Leon: No, I’ve never seen him perform and I’m sorry about that. I’ve played at the same festivals as him a few times and haven’t been able to see him play. I think his music…
Kenzie: Talk about it
Leon: His music is so dense, it’s like a well, and you really have to climb into it, you have to live in it. Like you must really like it, go in there. You have to go deep into it. You know, and his performances are almost religious.
Kenzie: It’s a cult vibe, because of course I wanted to ask, there are artists that you can just appreciate at first glance, and you can just keep going and it will make sense, or it will feel a certain way, but you get not really the whole vibe unless you think I’m going to listen to this body of work, I’m going to listen to this whole album. Who else but Nick Cave is that person for you, that you’re just like, ‘Oh, I could live in this space, I could just listen to their music for the next month’?
Leon: Big question. When I was a teenager it was Radiohead for me, I could always listen to them. I will always love to listen to Radiohead from start to finish, you know what, even though I’m someone who makes albums, because of the culture we live in of making playlists and I don’t want to say social media because it gets blamed for a lot stuff, and rightly so in many cases, but I don’t use it as a general excuse, but I find it harder to list a list just to listen to albums, which makes me appreciate them more, and you know, I will be very honest about that, but i don’t like to admit that even to myself, but i like it, even though i’m a proponent of long plays, and i think people should sit and listen to the record from the beginning to end as it was intended by the artist I can absolutely see how some people can’t, there’s so much music, there’s so much and I almost said there’s too much, but there’s…
Kenzie: No, but there’s a lot and I think also getting this idea of yes, social media is clearly a culprit, I won’t say it’s the only culprit, but this kind of attention span thing, which I don’t think is a negative something we always have that I personally have a limited attention span but I think I like living in a space too long oh my god we stay too long – you’re welcome. But living in a space for too long is like, yeah, that’s why playlists are so great and can be liked, going through them, like I remember my favorite thing when I was back there, like iPod days were like loading a whole lot of shit on my iPod, but as in between, I had a few favorites, like comedy albums and like, you know how every hip-hop album had a sketch, and I just loaded that up, put it on shuffle and then got that between this kind, big kind, symphonic, whatever, and like, you know, the new Ashanti or whatever it was, like, was such a good feeling, and I kind, I don’t know, I I love that our record has moments like that where it’s you get a little bit at the end of a song where you are oh but this is something different now and it takes you to the next song in a nice way because you fancy something different.
Leon: Yeah, I also think those things are really powerful world builders when it comes to a record, things like skits and bits of spoken word or little bits of sound design that help you go from one bit to another in building the walls in the environment and the space around it exactly the kind of sound of a record. I love them. I was very fortunate to just sit and make, like 40 seconds of skittish bits of music. I didn’t like to think about doing that.
Kenzie: Do that.
Leon: I never thought of doing that as a release.
Kenzie: I would love that.
Leon: I would love that too. I think maybe one day I would.
Kenzie: Because I like what you said about building walls.
Leon: It’s like walking into a house.
Kenzie: Yes, because it feels like you are walking into a room. I remember what I loved so much when we first got into the studio was this idea that we had no idea what the fuck we weren’t that we didn’t know what we were doing but we didn’t know what we were going to create , and then I think ‘Driveway’ is the one we both kind of got behind, we were like, ‘Oh, this is the vibe, this is kinda like the hull or this is the couch of this room’ I know it’s not, come with me, and then like it kind of became when we started making new things, and then also kind of like picking up old sketches and figuring out how they worked within the piece. It was like we were finding the parameters of the space, we found something like, where this hits a wall where this hits a wall like all the extremes and then like where I feel like ‘ramp’ that way like it’s in the middle of this kind of, oh, this is it this is the sound, this is as far as it can be pushed this way with maybe when it’s over it’s a three dimensional thing so like you got all this stuff , I don’t know, you already have pins like this that mark the parameter of space. Yes, I like that.
Leon: I like that too. It’s almost like with video games like Zelda or something like that.
Kenzie: which i was just playing.
Leon: Where you have to discover different parts of the map, figure out where you’re going…
Kenzie: Oh my God. Yes. When this lights up this area, it’s like finding those new spaces and realizing we’ve reached the end of the map.
Leon: Have you done Breath of Wind?
Kenzie: Breath of the wind? Yes, I’m playing it for the third time
Leon: Oh my God.
Kenzie: Yeah, there’s something about, I mean, I think we’ve talked a lot about the idea of visuals and how much it plays into our creativity and I don’t think Zelda and games like that, or even games like that, but just like that world-building thing is so important to me in my life like i have an escape that feels very immersive its the reason i think when we first got into the studio we wanted to see or like the video watch the visual as we make the number.
Leon: You show people your reality?
Kenzie: Yeah, and I think I just, I don’t want to say I preferred an alternate reality, but I find it absolutely beneficial to live in those spaces like.
Leon: Not all answers live in the real world.
Kenzie: No.
Leon: More questions can be answered in other spaces that don’t live right in front of you.
Kenzie: All the way. What is my question to you, what is that world to you? For me, it’s probably Zelda, among a few other things. What is the world you enter when you need to tap a little?
Leon: Do you mean in terms of distraction or inspiration?
Kenzie: Maybe both
Leon: Interesting. I don’t know. I can’t choose, I can’t think of anyone I would pick up or watch, I think it really comes out of my own head.
Kenzie: That is cool. That’s really cool.
Leon: But I can’t always find it. I know I’ve found it when I hear a sound. The other day I was sitting here, I was just going through some presets of new soft synths, but I was trying to figure out which ones are cool, and I came up with one and playing the chord sounded cool, and it was, it was a patch with a lot of movement in it, and the longer you held the chord, the more movement, the more modulation in the frequencies and the arpeggios would take place, and I just sat there and I just started moving my hands around the keyboard, and you just know never really what it is or when or why, but you know when it happens, because you just kinda feel it, it sounds so unbelievably cliche, and i’d love to be able to describe that feeling or that place, it’s not agree that I close my eyes. I am very aware of my surroundings, but I am not there.
Kenzie: Fresh jumping
Leon: What is that?
Kenzie: It’s in everything, everywhere at once?
Leon: Oh yeah. Right.
Kenzie: But it’s also now been invented on TikTok by kids who have decided it’s a condition, that sounds really bad of me to say I’m being cancelled.
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